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=  *	Corina Gina Papouis [17.May.12 21:01]
Enjoyed this thoroughly! Interesting piece of work. Thank you for sharing.
=  C	Veronica Vãleanu [18.May.12 07:56]
thank you Corina when writing & thinking about it, it always gave me a sensation similar to drinking 3 coffees. I hope I was able to share it with you. V.
=  Wheeeeeeheeeew!!!!	dan zafir [01.Jun.12 08:57]
Finally a Man on (of) my very taste. Veronica, am I to understand that you fancy the deepest misteries of Creation? As about the piece... I read it centuries ago. :)))))
=  DZ	Veronica Vãleanu [01.Jun.12 18:45]
:)))) you've made me smile I haven't gone that deep; but I am relentlessly going in that direction one way or another after writing this, I still keep having this strange sensation that I've only drawn a 2D picture of it all not yet a 3D one any ideas?
=  VV	dan zafir [05.Jun.12 08:31]
Hi hi hi... ideas... what a contorted jungle... George of the jungle might the idea holder be... or Tarzan, perhaps? The chunk of jungle depicted by your piece is, however, neat, orderly and logical. Either way, back to reality... NH might truly be the king of new ideas... I also keep him in high regards. What I like most about his model of Thought is his elevated degree of flexibility, yet in places I can't help but notice his desire in proving points that need not proving. Theory is after all theory and need be presented as such. One could at most adhere to one's self created theories and present them not as uncontested truth, rather as one's highly educated opinion.At one point or another most will be proven wrong or at least, incomplete. It happened to most of them, starting with Newton and ending with present day physics ellite. I treasure them all, and pick from their work the pieces that fit the puzzle that sits in front of my awareness. I don't take either one's idea as capital idea, for that can become a trap where Thought gobbles Time in cyclical inefficiency. Like I said before, I take them all with a grain of salt, at the same time thanking them sincerelly for their efforts and sending them good thoughts. I would love to share ideas with you, but I wouldn't know where to start. I am slightly familiar with your perception, having read some of your pieces, but this only portrays a tiny fraction of the picture that you're looking at. Maybe you could point me towards where your most ardent interests of knowledge uncovering lay, either by asking a question that remains unanswerable by you, or perhaps by exposing an angle that you consider to be original observation, and I shall do the same in return.Consider this an invitation to an insightful conversation.Sooo,ladies first. :)
=  @	dan zafir [03.Jun.12 08:10]
V.V. It seems that my messages don,t get posted... for some misterious reason. Here's an idea for you: Our Existence(Reality) in itself constitutes an Il Separatio. In the hermetic tradition the concept of Il Separatio bears the name of The Unifier, and in my own opinion it is the Womb.
=  Highly interesting	John Willy Kopperud [03.Jun.12 20:44]
and the opening story featuring the mercenary knight Amantes was indeed thrilling!
=  re	Veronica Vãleanu [05.Jun.12 09:07]
Dan taking it all with a pinch of salt should first be applied to all the commonly agreed upon truths about reality - the history of civilisation has been distorted way out of our control, so our perception may be deeply rooted in distorted truth and, once doing that, to the newest ground-shaking theories. But can we really handle the truth? I wouldn't be able to point out exactly where my focal point of interest is. It could well be an unifying one, rather than a separating one. But giving the fact that the separating one is an illusion, it must be the Force and its resolutions in the process. You are right about an idea that hasn't been enlarged upon (existence/reality is an Il Separatio). I only said somewhere [Let’s take ourselves and count: 1. There is also the surrounding reality, under all forms of manifestation: 2. What is in the middle? Space. It exists to be filled up or emptied – materially speaking, but also in terms of the meanings we would lend to it.] - but it is the closest thing to what you would have wanted me to say. thank you for your interest on this topic keep in touch Willy the opening story is one of my favourite ones and I think it can equal all the great myths of humanity we have had so far thank you so much VV
=  #	dan zafir [06.Jun.12 18:34]
V.V. My opinion is that one need separate in order to behold before unifying, and do that from a vantage point of the Greater Specificity. After all, one cannot observe all grains of rice sittin in a pile of rice, rather one should pick up the grains of rice one at a time and bring each one into better view. In re to the human awareness I can say that it has gotten trapped within the Lesser Specificity, aka Appearance of things... let me draw a parallel here to the pile of rice and state that one who studies the pile of rice as a whole can only achieve an observational degree of the Lesser Specificity, beeing able to take into view the Appearance of it, or Illusion of Surface... a task that requires the smallest amount of time. On the other hand you have the one who undertakes the tidious task of observing the pile of rice, one grain at a time, turning each one on all sides and observing all possible detail, no matter how many eons it would take, and operating in the realm of the Greater Specificity. Human Mind can hardly transcend, computationally speaking, the treshold of the Lesser Specificity and into the Greater... we're made that way for a reason. Yet Human Mind(Awareness) is a well defined, however small and quirky, part of a Greater Mind(Awarenes). Well, as part of greater whole, Human Mind has the "right of use" of the greater computational ability of the Greater Mind, right which is limited only by one's ability of Thought... saddly one knows not one's true rights. Another comparison I'd like to make is that our machination of Existence(reality) is also like a pile of rice, beeing comprised of a nearly infinite number of systems and dynamics tightly and orderly interconnected. Human Mind is, as of now, only able to deal with the Lesser Specificity of Existence, the Appearance(Illusion) of it... and when I say Human Mind, I reffer to those who operate not at all from the premises and facilities of the Greater Mind. It is the Greater Minds that have pushed our civilisation forward by their relentless desire for the hidden detail, aka Greater Specificity. Matter is real... Lesser Specificity Matter is empty space between the atoms...Greater Specificity Electrons dance around the nucleous of the atom...ex-Greater Specificity that recently turned into Lesser Specificity... also, a total fallacy, for electrons orbit, yet they orbit not around nuclei. Gravity is a force that spins out of gravitons... Lesser Specificity Gravity is a two way mule that carries "happy faces"...Greater Specificity Touch... Lesser Specificity Flower of Life... Greater Specificity My opinion is that one need not undertake the eonic task of going thru the whole pile of rice grain by grain in order to know the whole pile, rather one need behold a single grain of rice to a high level of greater specificity, thus one has known the whole pile. Existence need(can) not be known in its entirety, rather one need behold any single mechanism or system and its governing dynamics. It's like a hidden puzzle which reveals itself at the moment when any single piece gets discovered. That first piece, once discovered, shall energize(magnetize) its medium, thus drawing near the "rest of the ALL". But I've probably already bored you enough in this regard. On a lighter tone of Thought: We go to sleep and dream, yet where do our Dreams go to sleep so they can also dream?
=  &	Veronica Vãleanu [09.Jun.12 18:09]
indeed separation is necessary and it should manifest in the process of unification - here my approach is pointing towards the shift from one phase to another. it could also imply magnitude and zoom in. [specificity] is a great paradigm reference term, but I am afraid it could turn out too weak. also, it could also make way for a multitude of separatory subparadigms (lesser s., greater s., - and adj "a n'en plus finir" - for adj always weaken the power of a term.) I have all kinds of thought crossing my mind now. the process of unification could well be the king of the road because it's an action that occurs instantaneously. description, on the contrary, creates stages. paradigms are instances. grains of rice.
=  *	dan zafir [14.Jun.12 08:36]
Sounds good! Greater Specificity, lesser Specificity, etc... are but simple words, and word is all we have in order to convey Sense... for now. The ability to see the invisible detail, one can call it also and one would not be wrong. I consider valid any type "optics" that the mind employs in order to clarify; be it a unifying approach, or a "dissect and observe the hidden detail" type perspective. Each mind in existence is as unique as its creator's "dream" of intention. That aside, tell me please, of Il Separatio's heart and pulse... and ask that one question, will you? :)
=  =	dan zafir [26.Jun.12 09:40]
In Silence all grows... (this is where Danz bows out of this conversaation)
=  back again	Veronica Vãleanu [26.Jun.12 10:22]
please excuse me for not answering any further! I had some kind of sensation that you had asked a rhetorical question... as for that thread, "what is the very heart/core of Il Separatio?" - it is quite a scary question for me. I believe I mentioned somewhere that intention is the only mark that could switch neutrality on - of course I know it's not enough :) let me think about it for a little while
=  =	dan zafir [30.Jun.12 11:11]
:)) Please allow yourself as much as needed... after all, Time is all we have (are).
=  the final frontier	Veronica Vãleanu [09.Jul.12 11:19]
coming back to answer here, after all I said under your text (obscure thought, 4) will make my answer as paradoxical as it could be. I believe from all the fibers of my body into the unifying, highest resolution; and here I am immersed into this Il Separatio vision, most people would be entitled to ask - why. I will enlarge the brain circuit, letting it become more like a picture. At the beginning, Il Separatio was 1, generating the 2. But within a propagating map. everything comes back to One. If the unity were to be produced from itself, it would destry itself. One cannot reproduce itself without dying, it would become a means, annihilating itself in the very conditions imposed by itself. that's why it needs the 2 opposite forces, to be able then to shortcircuit them into ! again. it is a holder and a propagator at the same time.
=  err	Veronica Vãleanu [09.Jul.12 11:26]
[into 1 again]
=  of Sparks and shorts	dan zafir [29.Jul.12 10:39]
Sorry for the delay... I haven't visited this thread lately nor did I get notified by the robot. Paradoxes are good, we luvs them for they twist the mind into wondrous knots. Ok, lets for a moment agree that out of Unity came a Union of two. The One that turns itself into 2 forces that are complementary to each other and which at times shortcircuit... did I get it right, so far? If I did, then could you pls define the Spark(s) that ensues at the time of shortcircuit? Or is the shortcircuit without spark?
=  .	Veronica Vãleanu [31.Jul.12 16:40]
maybe here you should resort to applying your own method of saying smth (which otherwise might turn out to be too explanatory) under the guise or spirit of an allegory. circuit vs shortcircuit.
=  of Sparks	dan zafir [02.Aug.12 08:57]
Ok then, challenge accepted... one hot and steamy allegory comin' up. Lets imagine a union consisting of a pair of protofermions, right before entering the dimension of Matter. They split ways and only one(#1) of them enters, while the other one(#2) awaits patiently at the threshold, at the same time "feeling" in full all that its twin experiences in the flesh that it's become by now. The destined particle(#1) had to undergo the processes of transformation from protofermion to fermion, to quarks to leptons and all the way to electron, then atom, molecule, Flesh. Its twin(#2) felt as it was also going thru this transformation, only not hands-on and in a timeless dimension. Soon after the Flesh that #1 was part of became lifeless, the journey unfolded in reverse all the way to fermion at the threshold of Matter, where on the other side its twin(#2) awaited. They reunited again, again the Union got restored, with the new experiences as the "new glue" that held them together.Reunion that was sparkless... circuit. Out of Source sprang one single strand of Intention, an absolute Union, who at a timeless instance, as per ITs directive split into two strands of Energy... the One and the One around, tightly embracing one the other, yet without Touch. Out of divine yearning they split ways and both wandered thru dimensions of Energy, continuously yearning for each other, each of them growing in strange and beaitiful ways. At a destined point, both of them by now full grown branes, they found themselves together again, only this time the magnetism that they felt for each other became so great that they managed Touch... then, sparks flew, Universes got created... shortcircuit. "If the unity were to be produced from itself, it would destry itself. One cannot reproduce itself without dying, it would become a means, annihilating itself in the very conditions imposed by itself" Creation itself is an "as above, so below" reproduction... Reflecting in a mirror is a reproduction... in either case the original is left intact. "it is a holder and a propagator at the same time. " we bow to this Greater Truth. The Pulse of Creation is a similar dynamic.
=  re-	Veronica Vãleanu [06.Aug.12 21:49]
sorry, it's now that I see your comment I think it's slightly different from the pattern I tried to sketch. I would reply to your 1st paragraph (which resembles so much Gregg Braden's theory of the Divine Matrix, only adjusted to your vision and therefore, continued and customized + Leonard Susskind, the famous plumber-scientist who managed to demonstrate that S. Hawking was completely with his theory: there is radiation of the particles on the event horizon of a black hole, when one of the particles remains in the exterior. but furthermore, everything is likely to happen to a particle in the universe, they all follow the infinite path of transmutation / alchemy, because energy is never lost. I think if a particle belongs to a certain stage of creation, it will be able to recognize around other particles belonging to the same stage, maybe form clusters. it's not like a touch of love. and if experiments were to be carried with particles from the same source, that were separated, of course they will feel an alteration simultaneously, even by empathy, a split second before the moment of alteration, but still: cause and effect can't be reversed on a linear, chronological time. there is no need for us to enter such details, however, they are not relevant to the theme.
=  *	dan zafir [07.Aug.12 17:38]
One is of the terminal opinion that all there is, was, or ever will be, of more or less probability is situated somewhere on the spherical spectrum of... oh, please consider us removed from this conversation out of reason not at all disrespectfull to anyone involved. Be in Good Thought, Danz!
=  .	Veronica Vãleanu [20.Aug.12 18:20]
if you wish so, I will put an end. thank you for your substantial input. VV
=  .	Petru Teodor [28.Jul.19 02:56]
interesting dilemma... The collision of structure with reverberations of a structure - VV vs Danz. Ideas, ideas... I wonder if this has improved since (the Il Separatio symbol). I would say that I tend to see the above as below more close to my core. On the other hand don't forget that everything is vibrations, waves, perceived as structure. So, in a sense, this young thoughts had pass through me with sadness and bitter joy, as one recognises the limits of its own. So, I guess, the question is - have it grow? What fruit lies in this promise? best regards, pt.